Sorting non-Potter characters
Jan. 31st, 2005 01:18 amThe recent discussion on Hogwarts houses has reminded me of a subject I always meant to post on.
We've all discussed such things as where Mad-Eye Moody was sorted, what House had the dubious honour of producing Umbridge and so on, but one of my favourite pastimes in an idle moment is Sorting other fictional characters. I've seen other people do it, too. I suppose it's a neat and identifiable box, like Myers-Briggs-ing them.
So here's my take on my favourite fandoms. Feel free to disagree or to add your own. For the benefit of your ad hominem (sorry,
fernwithy! ;) ) arguments, I self-identify as Ravenclaw with a Gryffindor streak.
Star Wars:
Palpatine is of course a Slytherin. I don't think anyone could argue with that.
The Skywalkers (plus Padme) are all idealistic, courageous Gryffindors. Yes, even Anakin. I consider him to be a good example of the bad Gryffindor. But before I get sidetrack into Anakin Apologeticcs or whatever...
Han. Han is hard to place, but I think he's either a Gryffindor pretending to be a Slytherin or a Slytherin pretending to be a Gryffindor (although he Myers-Briggs as ENTP, at least inmy characterisation. Generally the NT=Ravenclaw is the strongest connection between MB typing and the Hogwatrs houses.).
Obi-Wan, I am firmly convinced, is a Hufflepuff, especially compared to the Gryffindor Qui-Gon.
Yoda. Virtual cookies for anyone who can convincingly sort Yoda. ;)
Age of Sail
Jack Aubrey is a Gryffindor, a pretty strong type IMO. Stephen is a Ravenclaw: it's the total ignorance of anything (ie all things naval) that's not his 'fandom' that convinced me of his geekish credentials.
If Anakin is my quintessential Bad Gryff, then Hornblower is my quintessential Good Slytherin. Or, at least, Slytherin with autorial approval. Ambitious, check. Cunning, check (unless it's to do with women :) ). Self-centered, check. Book!Hornblower, that is. TV!Hornblower comes off as pratically Gryffindor, IMO, but that's because one of Slytherin!Book!HH's ambitions is to appear as this fearless, noble Gryffindor type. At which he has varying degrees of success.
Bush, bless him, is a Hufflepuff. I am of the opinion that Voldemort out to concentrate on Hufflepuff Minions instead of Slytherin ones catching Cunning Plots left, right, and centre. Puffs make wonderful Minions, and where would HH be without his long-suffering Bush?
Barbara, IMO, is a Gryffindor, and poor Maria is so featureless she's hard to pin down.
Dorothy L Sayers
Peter and Harriet are both Ravenclaw, IMO. Bunter is another of those Hufflepuff sidekicks so invaluble to authors. (Jeeves, OTOH, is so Slytherin. Bertie Wooster, I haven't a notion.
Jane Austen
I could be at this all week. I will just say that Anne Elliot and Fanny Price are Hufflepuffs, and Emma IMO is Ravenclaw. I'm sure lots of you have opinions on the Austenverse. :D
Antonia Forest
The Marlow family ethos is predominantly Gryffindor (something to do with all those gallant naval forebears, perhaps? Tim Keith would doubtless have an opinion). Peter, for one, feels he has trouble living up to this. I know
rose_and_lizard has all but the twins as Gryfindors, but I would make exceptions myself.
I would sort Giles, Rowan, Ginty, Peter and Nicola as Gryffindors. Peter and Ginty not for their conspicious courage, but because of the value they place on it, although they usually confuse it with fearlessness. I'm most dilatory about Ginty, since she shows a Ravengeek tendency to live inside her own fantasy world.
Karen is a Ravenclaw, with some Slytherin tendencies (see A Ready-Made Family for a couple of examples, and Cricket Term for Nicola's comment on this.
Ann is a Hufflepuff to end all Hufflepuffs. I believe the girl actually enjoys doing the work of Peter, Ginty and Lawrie on top of her own.
Lawrie, Slytherin. It's the lack of interest in anything no connected with Lawrence S. Marlow. However, she does have a Luna-like dislocation with reality at times. (Lawrie and Luna in the same fic. Now there's a scary thought).
Tim, also Slytherin, though of a different type than Lawrie. Miranda, Ravenclaw, I think. Patrick, Ravenclaw, most probably. Open to argument on all these last.
Anyone have thoughts to add?
living_force and
padawanroo both want a rant on the post-RotJ EU. It will come, I promise. Just give me a few days to gather my thoughts ;)
We've all discussed such things as where Mad-Eye Moody was sorted, what House had the dubious honour of producing Umbridge and so on, but one of my favourite pastimes in an idle moment is Sorting other fictional characters. I've seen other people do it, too. I suppose it's a neat and identifiable box, like Myers-Briggs-ing them.
So here's my take on my favourite fandoms. Feel free to disagree or to add your own. For the benefit of your ad hominem (sorry,
Star Wars:
Palpatine is of course a Slytherin. I don't think anyone could argue with that.
The Skywalkers (plus Padme) are all idealistic, courageous Gryffindors. Yes, even Anakin. I consider him to be a good example of the bad Gryffindor. But before I get sidetrack into Anakin Apologeticcs or whatever...
Han. Han is hard to place, but I think he's either a Gryffindor pretending to be a Slytherin or a Slytherin pretending to be a Gryffindor (although he Myers-Briggs as ENTP, at least inmy characterisation. Generally the NT=Ravenclaw is the strongest connection between MB typing and the Hogwatrs houses.).
Obi-Wan, I am firmly convinced, is a Hufflepuff, especially compared to the Gryffindor Qui-Gon.
Yoda. Virtual cookies for anyone who can convincingly sort Yoda. ;)
Age of Sail
Jack Aubrey is a Gryffindor, a pretty strong type IMO. Stephen is a Ravenclaw: it's the total ignorance of anything (ie all things naval) that's not his 'fandom' that convinced me of his geekish credentials.
If Anakin is my quintessential Bad Gryff, then Hornblower is my quintessential Good Slytherin. Or, at least, Slytherin with autorial approval. Ambitious, check. Cunning, check (unless it's to do with women :) ). Self-centered, check. Book!Hornblower, that is. TV!Hornblower comes off as pratically Gryffindor, IMO, but that's because one of Slytherin!Book!HH's ambitions is to appear as this fearless, noble Gryffindor type. At which he has varying degrees of success.
Bush, bless him, is a Hufflepuff. I am of the opinion that Voldemort out to concentrate on Hufflepuff Minions instead of Slytherin ones catching Cunning Plots left, right, and centre. Puffs make wonderful Minions, and where would HH be without his long-suffering Bush?
Barbara, IMO, is a Gryffindor, and poor Maria is so featureless she's hard to pin down.
Dorothy L Sayers
Peter and Harriet are both Ravenclaw, IMO. Bunter is another of those Hufflepuff sidekicks so invaluble to authors. (Jeeves, OTOH, is so Slytherin. Bertie Wooster, I haven't a notion.
Jane Austen
I could be at this all week. I will just say that Anne Elliot and Fanny Price are Hufflepuffs, and Emma IMO is Ravenclaw. I'm sure lots of you have opinions on the Austenverse. :D
Antonia Forest
The Marlow family ethos is predominantly Gryffindor (something to do with all those gallant naval forebears, perhaps? Tim Keith would doubtless have an opinion). Peter, for one, feels he has trouble living up to this. I know
I would sort Giles, Rowan, Ginty, Peter and Nicola as Gryffindors. Peter and Ginty not for their conspicious courage, but because of the value they place on it, although they usually confuse it with fearlessness. I'm most dilatory about Ginty, since she shows a Ravengeek tendency to live inside her own fantasy world.
Karen is a Ravenclaw, with some Slytherin tendencies (see A Ready-Made Family for a couple of examples, and Cricket Term for Nicola's comment on this.
Ann is a Hufflepuff to end all Hufflepuffs. I believe the girl actually enjoys doing the work of Peter, Ginty and Lawrie on top of her own.
Lawrie, Slytherin. It's the lack of interest in anything no connected with Lawrence S. Marlow. However, she does have a Luna-like dislocation with reality at times. (Lawrie and Luna in the same fic. Now there's a scary thought).
Tim, also Slytherin, though of a different type than Lawrie. Miranda, Ravenclaw, I think. Patrick, Ravenclaw, most probably. Open to argument on all these last.
Anyone have thoughts to add?
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Date: 2005-01-30 07:16 pm (UTC)Hufflepuff. House assignments seem to be based more on which traits the person values the most (not necessarily what they possess the most), and I believe Yoda values hard work, persistence, and loyalty above the values of the other Houses.
Yoda insists that "wars not make one great" and that "a Jedi craves not" things like adventure and excitement. Therefore, he is definitely not a Gryffindor. He lives on a remote planet in the original trilogy, and generally displays an attitude of humility (though one might argue that he is overconfident in his own wisdom and judgement). In any case, he displays no value of ambition. He is definitely not a Slytherin. You could make a case that he is a Ravenclaw, because he mentions "a serious mind" as a requirement for what he would consider a trainable Jedi, and in the prequel trilogy, he seems intent on teaching youngsters extensive knowledge about the universe. However, he also names "deepest commitment" as his other requirement to consider someone for Jedi training. In EsB, Yoda primarily encourages Luke to persist in working hard at controlling his abilities and to have faith in the power of the Force. In the prequels, Yoda seems to value playing by the rules and honoring the Jedi order above Qui-gon's more flexible methods.
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Date: 2005-01-31 10:17 am (UTC)