Say no to H/H!!
Dec. 5th, 2002 01:58 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
owlOK. Firstly, I would like to say that I love the friendship the Trio has. They're Harry's main support system and his surrogate family. Harry and Ron have a wonderful friendship. Ron and Hermione have a wonderful friendship. Harry and Hermione have a wonderful friendship. And altogether, they are a brilliant team, all of them together more than the sum of their parts. It's something very special.
Now I've established that, on to romantic relationships.
Harry and Hermione are friends, yes. But are they anything more?
The main signs of a potential romance are:
1. Feeling physical/sexual attraction to that person.
Harry isn't attracted to Hermione. He thinks of her as the "bushy-haired girl with rather large front teeth", even after she's had them shrunk. At the Yule Ball he doesn't even recognise her, but even so, he describes her for about 3 paragraphs (out of around 150 total), and then goes back to glaring at Cedric and Cho, laughing at Krum mispronounciation of 'Hermione', watching Ron sulk, watching Neville tred on Ginny's toes, sneaking up on Hagrid, talking to Ron, gazing longingly at Cho, treating Parvati badly...
Ron, on the other hand, seems to look at Hermione a lot!
From this post by Angua:
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1 - "Ron glared at her as she left. Harry peered out the window. SS 110 (on the train).
2 - "Now if you don't mind, I'm going to bed." Ron stared after her, his mouth open. SS 162.
3 - "Wonder if she did see her attacker, though?" said Ron, looking sadly at Hermione's rigid face. Because if he sneaked up on them all no one'll ever know...."
But Harry wasn't looking at Hermione's face. CoS 289.
4 - "She doesn't know," said Ron, staring resentfully after Hermione. "She's just trying to get us to talk to her again." PoA 236.
5 - "We're due in Charms," said Ron, still goggling at Hermione. PoA 294
6 - "She hasn't gone to get it?" Ron said, staring after her. PoA 326
7 - But Ron was staring at Hermione as though suddenly seeing her in a whole new light. GoF 400.
8 - "She's lying," said Ron flatly, watching her go. GoF 400.
9 - "What, you need three hours?" said Ron, looking at her incredulously and paying for his lapse in concentration when a large snowball, thrown by George, hit him hard on the side of the head. GoF 411.
10 - Ron was watching Hermione pass with narrow eyes. GoF 415.
11 - Ron didn't answer. He was glaring at Hermione and Krum, who were dancing nearby. GoF 420.
12 - Ron watched her go with a mixture of anger and satisfaction on his face.
"Are you going to ask me to dance at all?" Padma asked him.
"No," said Ron, still glaring after Hermione. GoF 423.
13 - "And what did you say?" asked Ron, who had picked up his pestle and was grinding on the desk, a good six inches from his bowl, because he was looking at Hermione. GoF 514.
14 - He let Harry keep a watch for the carriages, however, and spent the next few minutes craning his neck over the crowd to try and see what Krum and Hermione might be up to. GoF 725.
15 - Ron stared at Hermione, but her face was quite impassive. GoF 725.
16 - "How did you find out?" said Ron, staring at her. GoF 727
Does Harry *ever* stare at Hermione? Let's see, he stares at Ginny (SS 98). He stares at Cho (GoF 253, 421, 430). He even stares at Fleur (GoF 725). I'm sorry, I haven't been able to find a single example of Harry staring at Hermione. Maybe there's one *somewhere* in the books. Of course, I'm not claiming I found *all* the Ron ones!
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Could this mean that Ron likes looking at Hermione?
2. Wishing to spend time exclusively with that person
Sorry. Nope. When Harry's alone with Hermione, he spends that time sniping at her and wishing Ron was with them. He doesn't miss Hermione half so much when she's not around (CoS and the broomstick/Scabbers fight). Not as much as Ron misses her. Could this mean something?
3. Feeling jealousy when someone else takes a romantic interest in the beloved person
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"Ron, I don't have a problem with Hermione going with Krum," Harry said quietly.
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It's never even occured to Harry to feel jelous. He's shocked when he finds that Krum sees him as a rival. On the other hand, Ron (do I even need to give examples?) and Hermione *coughFleurcough* certainly display jealousy.
So, in conclusion, Harry shows no sign of romantic feelings towards Hermione. JKR had all those wonderful opportunities to foreshadow H/H, and instead she foreshadows R/H. Why could this be? Surely Ron and Hermione-gasp-aren't going to get together
And not all R/H shippers just love Ron and want him to 'get the girl' because he has no money and isn't famous like Harry. I love Hermione, and I want her to be with someone who finds her attractive, who loves her quirks, who banters and argues with her the way she enjoys and doesn't sit gritting his teeth and wishing he was with someone else. And that isn't Harry.
And I want Harry to be with someone he finds attractive, who meets his emotional needs, who he can trust with his inmost secrets.
He needs someone who gives him a little of what Hermione gives him and a little of what Ron gives him, and more on top of that: she needs to be intuitive and sensitive to him, she needs to be someone he can open up to (to neither Ron and Hermione does he do this), and he needs to be attracted to her.
And when JKR develops this girl for Harry, I'm sure we'll all love her and say, "How could anyone ever have thought Hermione would be a good match for Harry? ____ coughI'm hopingforGinnycough is so much more suited to him!"
See, these are BOOKS. JKR is WRITING them. If she wanted Hermione and Harry to get together, she would write them as more compatible. BUT she has written Ron and Hermione as having those sort of feelings for each other. Why? Uh, maybe because in future books she's going to write them as a couple?
The Trio is a triangle, with Harry at the apex. The external pressue they have to withstand comes through Harry. Ron and Hermione support him. They are the base of his triangle. If you stengthen the base (Ron and Hermione's bond), the whole triangle becomes stronger. If Harry has a stronger bond with Ron OR Hermione, the triangle is unbalanced. Each of them pull him one way, each needs the other to balance each other out and keep Harry in equilibium. Whereas Ron and Hermione compliment each other. They're passion and intelligence, intuition and logic, Yin and Yang, the Head and the Heart. They fit together. Maybe they were meant to fit together.
Now I've established that, on to romantic relationships.
Harry and Hermione are friends, yes. But are they anything more?
The main signs of a potential romance are:
1. Feeling physical/sexual attraction to that person.
Harry isn't attracted to Hermione. He thinks of her as the "bushy-haired girl with rather large front teeth", even after she's had them shrunk. At the Yule Ball he doesn't even recognise her, but even so, he describes her for about 3 paragraphs (out of around 150 total), and then goes back to glaring at Cedric and Cho, laughing at Krum mispronounciation of 'Hermione', watching Ron sulk, watching Neville tred on Ginny's toes, sneaking up on Hagrid, talking to Ron, gazing longingly at Cho, treating Parvati badly...
Ron, on the other hand, seems to look at Hermione a lot!
From this post by Angua:
quote:
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1 - "Ron glared at her as she left. Harry peered out the window. SS 110 (on the train).
2 - "Now if you don't mind, I'm going to bed." Ron stared after her, his mouth open. SS 162.
3 - "Wonder if she did see her attacker, though?" said Ron, looking sadly at Hermione's rigid face. Because if he sneaked up on them all no one'll ever know...."
But Harry wasn't looking at Hermione's face. CoS 289.
4 - "She doesn't know," said Ron, staring resentfully after Hermione. "She's just trying to get us to talk to her again." PoA 236.
5 - "We're due in Charms," said Ron, still goggling at Hermione. PoA 294
6 - "She hasn't gone to get it?" Ron said, staring after her. PoA 326
7 - But Ron was staring at Hermione as though suddenly seeing her in a whole new light. GoF 400.
8 - "She's lying," said Ron flatly, watching her go. GoF 400.
9 - "What, you need three hours?" said Ron, looking at her incredulously and paying for his lapse in concentration when a large snowball, thrown by George, hit him hard on the side of the head. GoF 411.
10 - Ron was watching Hermione pass with narrow eyes. GoF 415.
11 - Ron didn't answer. He was glaring at Hermione and Krum, who were dancing nearby. GoF 420.
12 - Ron watched her go with a mixture of anger and satisfaction on his face.
"Are you going to ask me to dance at all?" Padma asked him.
"No," said Ron, still glaring after Hermione. GoF 423.
13 - "And what did you say?" asked Ron, who had picked up his pestle and was grinding on the desk, a good six inches from his bowl, because he was looking at Hermione. GoF 514.
14 - He let Harry keep a watch for the carriages, however, and spent the next few minutes craning his neck over the crowd to try and see what Krum and Hermione might be up to. GoF 725.
15 - Ron stared at Hermione, but her face was quite impassive. GoF 725.
16 - "How did you find out?" said Ron, staring at her. GoF 727
Does Harry *ever* stare at Hermione? Let's see, he stares at Ginny (SS 98). He stares at Cho (GoF 253, 421, 430). He even stares at Fleur (GoF 725). I'm sorry, I haven't been able to find a single example of Harry staring at Hermione. Maybe there's one *somewhere* in the books. Of course, I'm not claiming I found *all* the Ron ones!
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Could this mean that Ron likes looking at Hermione?
2. Wishing to spend time exclusively with that person
Sorry. Nope. When Harry's alone with Hermione, he spends that time sniping at her and wishing Ron was with them. He doesn't miss Hermione half so much when she's not around (CoS and the broomstick/Scabbers fight). Not as much as Ron misses her. Could this mean something?
3. Feeling jealousy when someone else takes a romantic interest in the beloved person
quote:
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"Ron, I don't have a problem with Hermione going with Krum," Harry said quietly.
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It's never even occured to Harry to feel jelous. He's shocked when he finds that Krum sees him as a rival. On the other hand, Ron (do I even need to give examples?) and Hermione *coughFleurcough* certainly display jealousy.
So, in conclusion, Harry shows no sign of romantic feelings towards Hermione. JKR had all those wonderful opportunities to foreshadow H/H, and instead she foreshadows R/H. Why could this be? Surely Ron and Hermione-gasp-aren't going to get together
And not all R/H shippers just love Ron and want him to 'get the girl' because he has no money and isn't famous like Harry. I love Hermione, and I want her to be with someone who finds her attractive, who loves her quirks, who banters and argues with her the way she enjoys and doesn't sit gritting his teeth and wishing he was with someone else. And that isn't Harry.
And I want Harry to be with someone he finds attractive, who meets his emotional needs, who he can trust with his inmost secrets.
He needs someone who gives him a little of what Hermione gives him and a little of what Ron gives him, and more on top of that: she needs to be intuitive and sensitive to him, she needs to be someone he can open up to (to neither Ron and Hermione does he do this), and he needs to be attracted to her.
And when JKR develops this girl for Harry, I'm sure we'll all love her and say, "How could anyone ever have thought Hermione would be a good match for Harry? ____ coughI'm hopingforGinnycough is so much more suited to him!"
See, these are BOOKS. JKR is WRITING them. If she wanted Hermione and Harry to get together, she would write them as more compatible. BUT she has written Ron and Hermione as having those sort of feelings for each other. Why? Uh, maybe because in future books she's going to write them as a couple?
The Trio is a triangle, with Harry at the apex. The external pressue they have to withstand comes through Harry. Ron and Hermione support him. They are the base of his triangle. If you stengthen the base (Ron and Hermione's bond), the whole triangle becomes stronger. If Harry has a stronger bond with Ron OR Hermione, the triangle is unbalanced. Each of them pull him one way, each needs the other to balance each other out and keep Harry in equilibium. Whereas Ron and Hermione compliment each other. They're passion and intelligence, intuition and logic, Yin and Yang, the Head and the Heart. They fit together. Maybe they were meant to fit together.
